And you've probably brought it back to life (good for you) but I'm not taking the bait, you anti-semites can bicker with someone else.

 

I'm surprised it lasted this long

I figured a page or two a day or two.

Since some have delved way back in history;

What's the difference between Arabs Palestinians and Jews anyway ?

Where did they come from ?

What are their origins ?

Now we know ole Mose led Jews outa Egypt , so is that where they originated ,
or had they moved there ,
and if so , from where ?
Were they all just Arabs in the first place ? and then along came Jesus in the same area. Hey presto Christians.
Perhaps Jews were the smart arses , and so have always suffered as a result of the old tall poppy syndrome.
Let's face it , many Arabs still can't live peacefully with eachother , even in the same countries , and the only way to govern them successfully is by strong man tactics.

 

Exodus likely never happened.

The Bible is the only historical account.

The timing is all off.

And even adjusting for the timing, archaeologists have searched for evidence in something like a 500 year window. When tens of thousands of people make a coordinated journey that long, they leave a permanent mark. Encampments and so forth. Nothing has been found anywhere on the supposed route.

Egypt at the time was a vast empire. It is much more likely that the Egyptians came to them. I don't mean they built pyramids in Antioch. But maybe a garrison or two. Or maybe just Egyptian renegades, setting up shop to terrorize the locals.

 

The Jews likely lived more or less in the same place for thousands of years. Sure there were wars, spoils, women carried off, and so forth. But this whole Exodus business... well, if it is true, Moses wrote about his own death.

Right?

So let's just call it legend.

As for the Palestinians: can't we just call them what they are? Gentiles or something of the sort? Off-white trash that fell for the Hope and Change promised by Mohammed?

 

A nation is unlikely to invent a history of slavery for itself. There is record of Canaanite immigrants living in the western part of the Nile Delta, where the book of Exodus says the Hebrews lived.

The Egyptians did not like to write about slaves or military defeats. If a group of slaves escaped into the Sinai Peninsula, and if an army sent to bring them back perished, the Egyptians would have covered it up.

Numbers 1:45-47 indicates that about two million Israelites participated in the Exodus. Numbers 14:33 says that they lived in the Sinai Peninsula for forty years.

The Sinai Peninsula is dry and rocky. About an inch and a half of rain falls every year. The Sinai Peninsula has a long memory of what happened there. One can still see tank tracks of the wars fought there in 1956 and 1967. One can see the charred remains of camp fires over a hundred years old. If two millions people lived there for forty years even if they lived there over three thousand years ago, they probably would have left archaeological evidence that has not been found. However, if the Exodus involved a much smaller group, their presence would not be detectable.

 

The most asinine part of this is the deals Israel was originally willing to make we're beyond generous. The first one practically would have given Palestine most of their land and an acting body within Israel. People seem to forget that victors don't I've to the losers in a war. Israel as far as I'm concerned acted strangely nice, now that the deal didn't go through and it is clear peace isn't achievable without total domination, Israel is doing what they have to in order to survive.

 

What is it with this guy D.L.? Why does he enjoy making ludicrous statements?

 

Correction: There is record of Canaanite immigrants living in the eastern part of the Nile Delta.

The Canaanite language is very similar to Hebrew. Some of the religious concepts are similar. The early Hebrews were probably descended from Canaanites.

 

Over the years I have learned to endure unsubstantiated insults like yours. What did I say that is ludicrous? How is it ludicrous.

 

Agreed .
All the evidence is that it's just a myth ,
and the exodus never happened.

So their origins are traceable back about 18,000 years .
That as Isrealites they were from branches/families/tribes of the
Cananites .
That the origin of Jew and Judaism is probably from Judah (from the same area and time)

So , essentially their origins are Arab , Arabian .
Not only that , as Cananites they are originally from exactly where they are now , the ancestral home of the Isrealites.

By contrast , thr term Pslestina (Palestine) in the area was introduced by the Romans.
Syria Palestina.
The term actually originates in Greece , and they weren't even of Arab origin .

In the modern concept of Palestine ,
all peoples in the area were Palestinians.

In fact an early Jewish publication was even called "The Palestine Post".
(or was it Palestinian post . it matters not)

So where did it all go wrong

Yeah I know .
You can't go back and right all the wrongs from history ,
but since many do go back a bit and then say things like , Oh the Palestinians got displaced , or the Jews don't belong ,
Well how come ?

There were Isrealites there so long before any concept of Palestine or Palestinians , surely

 

No, you have helped to bring it back......and you're continuing with the bickering, but no shock I expected that you couldn't keep away..


Anyways.....I'm not anti-semitic, I'm anti right wing Zionist as they are the violent buggers amongst them.
The same goes for the Palestinians, Hamas need to pull their heads in.

 

After reading through a fair amount of this thread, it is more than obvious that the participants within it are not only extremely ignorant as to what has happened over the last century in Palestine, have virtually know knowledge or understanding of the people within it and are flatly bigoted and biased to such a degree that they are making up most of what they post.

You should be ashamed...Only through honest (yes, I understand that is a word unknown to many here), just and fair discussion will you as individuals become even modestly enlightened.

Hush....an alias

 

The Master of Facts does not claim to know all of the facts about "what has happened over the last century in" the Holy Lands. This is what the Master of Facts does know: Beginning at the turn of the last century Ashkenazi Jews began to return to the land of their ancestors in peace. They had no reason to use violence to get anything. With their high IQ averages they could out compete the Arabs academically and economically. The Arabs attacked them. The Jews fought back and won.

OK, so what am I ignorant of?

 

Hmmm, lets see.....Returned "in peace" would be one, an implied higher I.Q. another, out competing with Arabic peoples academically and economically definitely another, and that the Israelis "fought back" instead of inspired by their conquest another well known point.......So essentially everything.

Hush....an alias

 

What happened during the Arab riots of 1920-1921?
The first Arab riots of the Mandate period took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, in March 1920 (“Bloody Passover”). They were instigated by Arabs acting on unfounded rumors of Jewish actions against Arabs. The British military authorities did not intervene in the Arab attacks, while Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Jews were arrested for organizing a self-defense league. In April 1920, Joseph Trumpeldor and others were killed in the defense of Tel Hai, a settlement in the Upper Galilee. These developments led to the founding of theHaganah on June 15, 1920.
*not_secure_link*www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1920-21.php

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ARABS:

Let’s compare them to other Arab states. Egypt is 83. Lebanon is 86. Morocco is 85. Iraq is 87. Qatar is 78. That seems to be the Arab range: 78-87. I haven’t seen any Arab countries score in the 90s and only Qatar is in the 70s. The average of the 5 Arab countries listed by IQ and the Wealth of Nations is 83.8, so the Palestinians are probably around 85. Whether it’s a couple points more or less is irrelevant, just a margin of error, and at the same time, I doubt that they are above 90 because no other Arab country is.

ASHKENAZIM

The pure-blooded Ashkenazim score probably the same as they do elsewhere 112-115.

- Ethnic Genome Project

 

I have avoided this thread because the title smacked of unrestrained bigotry and racism. I decided to read this last page to what @Hush posted.

I need to (futilely) correct (alas) @Distant Lover. The Jews did NOT start to return to Palestine in 1900. They started in large numbers around 1840. The inspiration was the intense and widespread prejudice Jews faced in Tsarist Russia. Jews started buying land on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea, and did so with increasing aggressiveness after many Arabs in the region decided to stop selling land to them. Low level violence broke out between immigrant Jews and native Arabs that lasted for decades until World War I. The Ottoman Regime had kept a lid on Jewish/Arab violence in the region. Their loss, combined with the post-war politics of the British and French to reward certain Arab 'tribes' and 'clans' with their own countries, led to the wholesale violence that was seen from 1919 to around 1925.

The linking, by fascist groups, of Jews in Europe to Communism, and the rise of Hitler and Nazism, sparked the creation of Jewish terrorist groups in Palestine such as the Stern Gang, which in turn led to the creation of similar Arab groups. More wholesale violence erupted in Palestine, much directed against the British, until World War II, when some Jews (David Ben-Gurion the most prominent among them) called for a moratorium on violence and for aid to the British while it fought Hitler.

I (for one) strongly believe that the creation of the state of Israel by the British and the United States was primarily to forestall a large emigration of Jews to the US. While DL may be in love with the Jewish religion and the people how follow it, in 1945, most of the US, and ALL of the Anglo-Saxon Protestant elite in the US was STAUNCHLY anti-semitic! They decided to dump all those European Jews fleeing Europe into the Arabs' back yard rather than their own back yard. The Arabs didn't take kindly to that decision. The rest is (bloody) history.

 

Okay half-wits, explain this:



Clearly most here do not even have the slightest idea as to what is and has been happening in Palestine for some time and what Palestinian's have been and are subjected to......Without WASTING my time explaining it, in short order it boils down to this. It is nothing less than the wholesale eradication of Palestinians from their countless generational homeland.

In short, the Israelis learned well from their persecutors, and have now become that which they fought.

Hush....an alias

 

I look forward to the day when the map is all white. Right after the Six Day War the Israelis should have expelled all the Palestinians but the Christian Palestinians. Few people in the United States would have complained. We were too busy celebrating the Israeli victory.

 

@DistantLover: I agree with all you have said about the Sinai Peninsula. All I'm saying is that we've been looking for the Exodus. Ample evidence against, and no evidence for it. I really do like your theory that the Hebrews developed their culture in Canaan. This would support my idea that they did not so much flee from Egypt as vanquish some of its territories in low grade battles that might have caused the empire to partially withdraw from those lands. In either case, the "Moses" figures of the time would be considered deliverers and would be remembered in their histories as such. Additionally, it would support the idea that the deliverer himself was denied the promised land itself; perhaps he perished winning it. All speculation, but we do know for certain that the Jews were already an ancient culture when Mohammed walked the earth.

@Hush:

The Map of Disappearing Palestine is no revelation. We are all aware of it. I can't speak for everyone, but my problem with it is that it omits a key component: action and reaction. Israel is not conquering territory. It is routing terrorists, bulldozing gun running tunnels, destroying Hamas safe houses. The Palestinians are bringing the thunder down on themselves.

For every Green Spot on your map that turns white, I want to know how many rockets were fired from that location, how many IED's detonated, how many families of suicide bombers were evicted from the homes in retaliation for raising another martyr to Allah.

Action and reaction.

Again: the Palestinians are a VANQUISHED FOE. If they want to retain anything at all on this earth, they ought to start acting like one. They should be on their knees begging for clemency.

 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Evidence of Israelite settlements does begin to appear in what is now the West Bank about 1200 BC. This is when the Book of Judges says it should appear. It is characterized by hill side terraces, cisterns, the four room house, and the absence of pig bones.

The fact that archaeological evidence of Israel begins to appear in the West Bank is one more reason I want it to be ethnically cleansed, formally annexed, and settled with Jews.

By the way, Moses is an Egyptian name. According to Exodus 2:10 a daughter of the Pharaoh adopted Moses when he was a baby.